I recently read the book Living Life as a Thank You
You see, about 10 years ago, Dan was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor and given 6 months to live.
Well, that was 10 years ago and today Dan is alive and well.
In this interview you will hear about Dan’s incredible story of self-healing using a variety of treatments both traditional and non-traditional.
Dan also shares some extremely important principles that everyone can apply today to help achieve more health and happiness in their lives.
Links to topics discussed in the interview:
1. About Dan Reich – http://danreichandfriends.com
2. Dan’s story – http://danreichandfriends.com/1.html
3. Bullseye Creative – http://www.bullseyecreative.biz
4. Living Life as a Thank You
Here’s the interview!
Tim Murphy: Hello and welcome to the first edition of The Renegade Dad radio show. This is your host Tim Murphy and my guest today is Dan Reich. Dan is a husband, father, graphic designer, musician, travel writer and brain tumor survivor who is trying to make his own sense of the wonderful and diverse world in which we live. I recently read about Dan’s full recovery from cancer in the book Living Life Is A Thank You and I immediately contacted him so he could share his story with us. So, with that said, Dan, thank you for being on the show today.
Dan Reich: Thank you for having me. It’s an honor.
Tim Murphy: Thanks, Dan. Likewise. So, Dan, for the listeners that haven’t heard about your story, correct me if I am wrong but about 10 years ago you were diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor and given six months to live.
Dan Reich: That’s true.
Tim Murphy: Okay. How did you respond to that?
Dan Reich: Well, it’s interesting. I was 50 years old at that time, I was traveling with my family in Jackson, Wyoming and we were in a hotel gift shop and I had a grand mal seizure and was rushed to the hospital in Jackson where I was given the diagnosis and a prognosis of six months to live and I remember feeling… it wasn’t like “Oh my God! I am going to die” or I wasn’t afraid; it was like kind of an eerie calm. My reaction was more like “Oh, that’s interesting. I didn’t really see that coming” and I wasn’t freaked out; I was the most calm person in my family I think. Everybody else was a little tweaked out by it but I found it to be kind of… it was fine, I was very okay with it. It was kind of almost tranquil. Of course, maybe I was in shock and I just wasn’t really able to process it properly but that was what I remember, I remember just facing it with a sense of calmness that it was okay.
Tim Murphy: Yeah, I read that in the story and I thought that was so interesting because I think at least for myself I would probably freak out. So, was that completely strange for you to experience that?
Dan Reich: It was odd because I have a tendency to sometimes like overreact to things. Before the brain tumor maybe small things would have bothered me out of proportion like how important they were which is something my wife would have confirmed if you would have asked her and if you would ask me before I had the brain tumor “Well, if you were given six months to live and you had a brain tumor, how would you react?”, I would predict that I would probably be freaked out and it was just interesting to me that when it actually happened, I wasn’t. I did not anticipate that I would deal with it that way but that was how it happened for me.
Tim Murphy: So, what did you do next?
Dan Reich: Well, first thing we did was… we were told to go straight home; we were planning to go to Yellowstone National Park but they said “Don’t go there, go directly back to the Bay Area, put your affairs in order” and we got to the Bay Area and we went to the University of California in San Francisco which has a really great cancer program and got a second opinion and they wanted to do surgery to resect the tumor and then attack it with conventional therapy like chemo and radiation. So, we met with the neurologist and we set those things in motion but they weren’t going to operate it for like a month. So, for like a month I felt like my life was kind of on hold. It didn’t really bother me that much. I just remember spending a lot of time kind of floating around – this was in September – my wife and I spent a lot of time floating around in the pool just sort of like breathing and appreciating the calm that we had before the storm and I also remember that we took a little trip up to Seattle; I had always wanted to go to Seattle and we took like a little 3-day trip up there before the surgery because I knew afterwards I might not be going anywhere for a while.
It was fine. We dealt with it. It was a little scary. I mean, it was scarier for my wife than it was for me but we just sort of like just tried to stay in the moment and keep from being overly freaked out because freaking out doesn’t really help any situation particularly. So, we just waited until the time was for surgery. I did a lot of research like what else can I do and that’s when I found out about some of these alternative things which I will get into in a little more detail maybe further in the interview but we basically just prepared for surgery and a month after I got back from the trip I had surgery.
Tim Murphy: Okay. So, you had the surgery about a month later. What was the outcome at that point in time?
Dan Reich: The surgery went as well as it possibly could. One of the interesting things was that they had an experimental thing that they were doing up there called brain mapping where they attached all these electrodes to my head that looked like white lifesavers and they did some sort of protocol where they were like probing different parts of the brain to figure out what did what like where my motor centers were located so that they could steer clear of those and they did that to figure out exactly where to go in and where not to go and that when I came out of surgery, they said that they got 99% of the tumor, they were very happy with the results and really when I came out of it… my wife didn’t know what to expect, she didn’t know whether I would be a vegetable or whether I would be completely okay or what but all of my speech, memory and so forth seemed to be intact and the only thing was my eye-hand coordination was a little bit off and it manifested itself like in typing on a computer, playing piano. I was just a fumbling mess for about a week but even that cleared up pretty rapidly and I really had no lingering deficiencies as a result of the surgery. So, I have to say that the surgery was wildly successful given what could have happened.
Tim Murphy: Yeah, it sounds like it was, like you said, a tremendous success.
Dan Reich: And it didn’t hurt either. I mean, I didn’t know whether I would have like a crushing headache. When I woke up it was like I never had any pain at any point which is kind of remarkable because they cut a hole in my skull and put screws in it and screwed me back together and it was amazing; the surgeon was like an artist, he was an artist. I was maybe his masterpiece.
So, I had the surgery and then we went into… I had been doing a research while I was waiting for the surgery and I had decided that I was going to throw whatever I could at it and I was going to take the conventional Western approach which involves surgery, chemo and then radiation and then I was going to like do some alternative things. One of the things that I looked into is Chi Gong which turned out to be a key thing in my recovery and I also explored things like craniosacral therapy and I consulted a Chinese herbalist who mixed up some special concoctions from the Chinese medicine tradition and he also prescribed a bunch of supplements, nutritional supplements and anti-oxidants and I was a regular visitor to the Whole Foods supplements section and a Chinese herbal pharmacy. So, while I was doing the traditional stuff with the chemo and radiation, I was also starting to employ some of these alternatives and just throwing everything at it because I figured out I didn’t have anything to lose and if any of them worked, I would feel like that was great. I was just hoping something would work.
Tim Murphy: Yeah, absolutely. So, you threw everything at it and then…
Dan Reich: Not at the beginning though. Actually, in the beginning I just sort of did the traditional thing and it looked like I was doing okay for a while and the canary in the coal mine was seizures and how frequent they were and at the beginning before I had the surgery I was maybe having a couple of seizures a week or something like that and then after the surgery they went away but gradually they started coming back like I will have one and then maybe a week later I will have another one and then maybe a couple of days later I will have another one and whenever they started getting more frequent, usually this was an advance of a protocol like maybe another dose of chemo which would knock it down for a while, the radiation knocked it down for a while but I did find that after about six months of traditional therapy I had been better for a while when the treatment protocols were happening but then it seemed like I was starting to get worse and that’s when I started getting maybe a little bit more desperate and trying some other things. We did fly to Los Angeles to consult with a well-known neurosurgeon down there which had some sort of technique called dendritic cell vaccine or something where they took a part of the tumor and try to kind of inoculate you against it and it turned out I wasn’t a candidate for that. Meanwhile, I was doing all these alternative things and it seemed like I wasn’t really getting any better, I was kind of like getting worse which was not unexpected because that’s what I had expected would happen. I was hoping maybe that I would have a better outcome but I think there was one point at which I seemed to have turned the corner and I will tell you about that; you might have read about it in the posts but I saw this Chi Gong healer named Don Rubbo and I had heard about him from someone and he sort of had a form to fill out, kind of an intake form, so he could see whether he wanted to take me on as a client and one of the things that I remember saying is that… he asked like “What do you want from me?” and I told him that I wanted him to give me the tools that I needed to heal myself and I think because I said that rather than “I want you to heal me”, he decided to take me on as a client and work with me.
Tim Murphy: Wow!
Dan Reich: I was really glad that I put it in those terms because I think if I had put it on him to have the responsibility of healing me, that wasn’t kind of the way he operated.
Tim Murphy: Right, right. Did you just get that sense about it or…?
Dan Reich: Yes, I did. I had the sense that that was really the karmic way to go about it. It wasn’t his job to heal me; it was my job to heal me and if he could be a facilitator in that process, that was what I was looking to him to provide.
So, I went to Don and the first time I worked with him – like he gave me some Chi Gong exercises and a practice involving the organs and the elements and the Buddhist Chi Gong healing tradition and I had a seizure in the session which kind of freaked me out but he said “That’s good”. He thought that was a positive sign because it was an indication like the practice was touching me at the intersection or the point where it might have some effect.
Tim Murphy: Wow!
Dan Reich: So, I continued to work with him and there was a point at which I was getting a little wobbly; it was about six months in. Even the UCSF doctors gave me about a year and I was maybe six-seven months in at this point and things weren’t looking that good and he arranged for a bunch of Tibetan monks to chant for me and on the day they were going to do this, he instructed me to do everything I could to keep negative thoughts out of my mind – “As soon as you even have a hint of a negative thought, try to get rid of it as best you can during this day” – and he would have the monks pray for me – I don’t know how many of them were there but he set these things up in Tibet – and I remember that day really doing a good job of just staying in the moment, staying positive, thinking good thoughts, being positive and I remember going to sleep that night and as I was falling asleep I felt this tingling all over my body, very pleasurable kind of tingling, just as I was drifting off to sleep and I woke up the next morning and I didn’t really feel any different but from that day almost I felt that I was starting to get better; when I was having seizures like every other day, I went like a week without having a seizure and when I did have it was a very minor one and I started taking long walks and getting more exercise and I started getting stronger and the time between the seizures got less and less and I started feeling like I was getting some strength and the Chi Gong practice that I was doing was supplemented with kind of a daily application of a taro compress; it is like a taro thing that we just sort of concocted this paste and I would put it on my scalp and I would put a baseball hat on it to keep it from sliding off my head and I did this every day at the same time when I was like doing the Chi Gong practice and I felt like I was getting stronger and stronger and it was amazing because everything else after that point have been going in the wrong direction and after this happened, I started going the right direction and the next positive sign I got was that I had a friend who is a physician near about half an hour east of where we live, he was very well known for being both a traditional medicine expert and an alternative expert, he even has a radio show here but I happen to know him personally and I arranged to have him send my blood out for like a cancer evaluation of my blood and when I went into his office to go over the results, he is looking at the paper and he is going “Oh wow! Oh, oh my god!” and I am going “What is it? What’s going on?” and he says “Your blood is the blood of a person without cancer” and I was just sort of like “Wow! That’s amazing.”
So, kind of from that point on I just kept getting better and better and it was almost a year before I could drive a car because they didn’t want me to drive a car when I was having seizures and I remember that being like a big step back that I had the independence of being able to drive again and things just kept getting better and I just continued to get stronger and after about, I think it was… we had our 25th wedding anniversary about 9 months after the tumor and I had a seizure that day and I don’t think I had one since then; that was like 9 years ago.
Tim Murphy: Wow! That’s incredible. So, it’s been 9 years since your last seizure.
Dan Reich: Yep!
Tim Murphy: What’s the most recent prognosis on the tumor?
Dan Reich: What they do is I go get an MRI, it used to be every six months, for a while it was every six months, then they went to every year and every time I go get one, they look at it and they say “There is no change. Just keep coming back every year” and they might even start making it two years at this point but every time I go they say there is no change and I go “Thank you very much. Thank you, god. Thank you, universe.” I don’t necessarily feel that I am completely out of the woods. I mean, I could get run over by a bus tomorrow, you never know.
Tim Murphy: Right.
Dan Reich: But I did have a dear friend – well, he became a dear friend because when I was first diagnosed there was a support group for people with life-threatening diseases that was run by an organization called The Center for Attitudinal Healing in Sausalito, California and met this guy Kenny Kahn who had had a brain tumor and he is a musician, he was a Nashville musician, a really talented guy and I am a musician, so like we totally hit it off and I went to the support group meetings and everybody would tell their stories about what was going on with them and there was a support group next door for the wives and caregivers of people with diseases and our group was by far the cheerier of the two groups. I mean, there was a lot of laughter coming from our room whereas the other room was much more grim because they were all like grieving for their loved ones that are dying on them; we were having a better time as I guess we were a little more detached, I don’t know what it was but anyway, Kenny was a real inspiration to me because he had had a brain tumor and he had fought that and he had come back and he was the first person that I saw face to face that gave me hope that I could get through my own situation. So, he inspired me to like believe that it was possible for me to get by my brain tumor but unfortunately a couple of years after that his tumor came back and we lost Kenny. So, I have always had the awareness that like mine could come back at any time. I don’t think it will, I have a lot of confidence that it won’t but if it does, I think I will probably treat it as I did when it first came; I will just go “Okay, that’s interesting. I will just deal with that.” So, I feel remarkably blessed but at the same time I am aware that there always exists the possibility that it could return.
Tim Murphy: I found kind of a recurring message in the blog post that I read – your attitude of positivity, thankful for every moment, every blessing in life and just kind of taking it, like you said, taking it day by day instead getting too far into the future or thinking about the past. Do you think that that was kind of key to your healing?
Dan Reich: It probably played a pretty big part in it. I really don’t think about the past too much. I do think about the future. I mean, I am not averse to making plans. I mean, I am not so much in the moment that I don’t care what happens two years from now.
Tim Murphy: Right.
Dan Reich: But definitely, I think that just being aware of the small qualities of life that affirm that you are a being in the universe and just breathing and being aware that you have life and that it’s a wonderful thing and not to take it for granted has definitely helped me just calm down with everything and probably stress was what led to my condition, so anything that I could do to try to head stress off before it gets to the point where it starts to damage me and just try to be calm and in the moment and appreciative of the little things, I think, definitely was a big part of my process to return to health.
Tim Murphy: That’s interesting that you mentioned that you think stress may have led to your condition. I truly believe that stress will do more damage to your body than poor eating or no exercise. I have seen people that literally look like they have aged overnight after they have been under tremendous stress for long periods of time. I know I myself about a year ago started to experience some weird physical symptoms, kind of like indigestion and some weird things that my doctor couldn’t figure out and a nutritionist couldn’t figure out and I went to somebody that I know that is a meditation teacher and she made a couple of suggestions, one more nutritional but then she also suggested that I start doing some meditating and some breathing exercises and I can honestly say that that has done such amazing things for me I couldn’t even tell you how amazing it has been.
Dan Reich: I totally can see that because I really do think that stress kills and meditation and breathing can be as important or more important than diet and exercise in creating a sense of wellbeing and getting your body to love itself and treat itself the way you need to if you are going to be healthy.
Tim Murphy: Yeah, I completely agree and I think it’s kind of unfortunate I think in our society, at least the area where I live, if you bring up meditation, that’s almost like taboo. They think it’s like some kind of cult thing. Even the Chi Gong practice that you mentioned. I mean, some people might hear that and say “Oh my god! That sounds crazy”. Could you actually explain a little bit about that because I did a little bit of research and it sounds to me kind of like Tai Chi but…
Dan Reich: It’s related to Tai Chi, it’s maybe a little less about movement and more about meditation; they are both kind of meditation with movement and I should also say that I am fortunate to live in northern California where these things aren’t considered all that weird.
Tim Murphy: Yeah.
Dan Reich: Sorry that you have only happened to live in an area where people don’t have quite the same familiarity and appreciation of it but… Chi Gong is an ancient Chinese form of meditation and healing where they try to direct the flow of life energy which is called ‘Chi’, it tends to direct the flow of it through your hands and through various breathing exercises, you sort of direct it through various meridians of your body and I think the practice that I was given that I healed myself with is called The Five Elements Practice and it involved like facing a certain direction and then moving around like the compass points – I think one of them is southeast but the rest of them are like four points – and each one would have a different organ that you would place your hands over and you would visualize it filling with a different color of light and you would make a noise like a breathing and kind of a different way of making a noise with your breath and you would think of different element such as word or earth or fire or water or wind – I think these were the five elements – and you would go through this practice and you would repeat the different things nine times and take deep breaths and at each station on this five practice, you would take a deep practice and make the noise and have your visualizations and go around all the five organs – I think it’s liver, heart, spleen, kidneys and lungs; not quite in that order but those are the five organs – and there are some other Chi directing practices where you could make a ball over your head of energy and you could pull it down through your head, through your torso and into your Dantian which is like just below your bellybutton and in the middle of your body, kind of the center of your body, and I did this every day and I still do it at least a couple of times a week probably.
I should tell you another story that’s pretty amazing that really kind of solidified my belief in Chi Gong. At the same time that I was like on the edge of maybe going the wrong direction with my tumor, I had a dog, a yellow lab, who also had cancer and she was only given like four months to live or something like that. So, I started having the dog do Chi Gong with me and she would sit at my feet while I did this thing with her and there was one point at which she suddenly moved and I felt this incredible force field kind of like ripped out of my hands and it was almost like somebody had taken my two hands and like a big football player just like threw me halfway across the room and I was stunned because I have been doing the Chi Gong and I had been able to feel like a little… when you get fairly experienced at it, you can feel a tangible sense of energy if you like make a ball with your hands and you get the Chi into it and you kind of feel a sort of tangible sense of something going on there. This was like way stronger than anything that I had ever experienced and I had no other explanation for it than “Wow! This Chi is powerful stuff.” The end of the story about the dog is that the dog lived four more years until 14 years old which is like normal lifespan for a Labrador.
Tim Murphy: Yeah, I read about your dog Ginger, right?
Dan Reich: Yeah, Ginger the wonder dog, yeah but that experience just kind of solidified my respect for Chi Gong and I should say that I was also doing a lot of nutritional supplements and I saw a craniosacral therapist for a while and all of the thing… and I did acupuncture with a The Pine Street clinic with Chinese herbs… all of the things that I did, the only misgiving I have about any of it is that I don’t necessarily know what it was that worked. I just know that something did or some combination of things. If I had to pick one thing, I would probably say that Chi Gong was it just because of my experience with the monks chanting and that one day it just seemed like there was a specific point where I could say “from this point on things seemed to turn and go in a different direction” but I did a lot of different things and I am sure in some way they all contributed, even the traditional medicine which I always had a little bit of skepticism for, I think without the surgeon that I had and even though I did radiation and chemo and it wasn’t a lot of fun; probably if I hadn’t done those, I might not have had as good of an outcome. So, I think all of it played a part and I am just grateful that I was able to have in all of that brought to bare in my fight.
Tim Murphy: I am glad you brought that up because I was curious what you thought about the traditional treatments like the chemo and the radiation, if you thought those had helped you at all or even the opposite.
Dan Reich: I mean, one thing is that if I know what I know now and have the same thing happen again, I might forego the chemo and the radiation and just go straight to the Chi Gong or straight to the other things and I might have the same outcome but I think that possibly in my case the chemo and the radiation bought me enough time for the other stuff to take hold.
Tim Murphy: Right.
Dan Reich: So, I don’t regret having done them.
Tim Murphy: Right, right.
Dan Reich: Although I would hesitate to… I mean, I wouldn’t limit myself to just traditional medicine. I know there are a lot of people that are just skeptical of alternative things and they trust their doctors and they say “Well, my doctor says radiation and chemo are my best chance”. I would like to take those people and say “Look, you know, try these other things. They are not going to hurt you. They are not going to even hurt you as much as the chemo and radiation will but this has been my experience and I think that all of it, it’s hard for me to tease out any one aspect of it that was the thing, so my advice is to just to the extent that you can do as many things as you can to work on improving your health and give you the best chance of success.”
Tim Murphy: Yeah, I think that’s great advice and I think kind of the important message from all this is to kind of trust your gut and kind of be open to everything and consider everything and at least try everything or as much as you can when trying to just improve your own health in general.
Dan Reich: I think that’s great advice. I don’t think that you can literally try everything. I think if it resonates for you and it’s not like too overwhelming number of things… I ran across a whole lot of like “Oh, we have got the thing that cures cancer and the FDA is suppressing it because they don’t want to impact the pharmaceutical industry or whatever” and there where all these things and there were places in Houston you could go and get these radical therapy and their pills and their supplements and there are some incredible claims being made and a lot of them I don’t think have much merit and you have to sort of have a certain critical eye towards “Well, what’s the science behind this? What is the real success that people have had or their anecdotal stories of people that have used this and have been successful? Are there doctors that will stake their reputation on this being effective?” because there is a lot of snake oil out there with cancer because there are people that are desperate for solutions and there are maybe people that aren’t so integrity driven or willing to like good stuff out there.
Tim Murphy: I like your comment about seeking out alternatives that resonate with you. I am a big believer in kind of what I call going with your gut or some people call it listening to your intuition or your heart or your soul or whatever you want to call it but essentially I think we all have this kind of feeling inside of us that guides us to what is right for us in any given situation in life. It’s kind of just the built-in thing that we need to listen to that whether it be looking for a treatment or just trying to make a decision, a simple decision in life; I think we have this gift that we can kind of sense what’s right and what’s wrong and what feels right for us. So, I love that you say that you don’t necessarily want to chase everything or go after everything. You kind of want to use what I call your gut or your intuition and allow that to be your guide.
Dan, there were some things that I jotted down when I was reading through your blog post last night and I just wanted to mention them quickly. Some of these principles, I guess, if you will seem to be kind of a running theme in your life now. I just want to see what your thoughts are, would you add anything to this list? I know that love seemed to be a big part of your healing. Loving others and also being thankful for the love that you are given from your family, your friends and the people that read your blog and prayed for you and supported you…
Dan Reich: It was amazing. I was so blessed and my wife was a rock. Our relationship is the most solid of anybody that we know and her love and my kids’ love and support and all the people that prayed for me, I can’t put into words how much that meant and how totally wonderful it was.
Tim Murphy: Yeah.
Dan Reich: It’s definitely a big one for sure.
Tim Murphy: And gratitude was obviously a very important principle, just being thankful for every day that you woke up and every moment that you had and the food that you eat and the moments with your wife and your kids and your family and your friends, these seemed to be very important pieces as well.
Dan Reich: Maybe there is a karmic thing about being grateful that allows you to have something to be grateful for. If you are grateful for the gift of life, the gift of life gives back and I didn’t decide to be grateful for its karmic benefits but I think that there are some and I think that anybody that chooses gratitude will probably find that their life gets better and that they have more to be grateful for and it tends to build on itself.
Tim Murphy: I agree with that 1000%. After I started reading this book where I read about your story, the book Living Life Is A Thank You, I personally decided when I wake up every day and I take my dog outside, basically look up at the sky and thank god for that day and some mornings it takes a little longer because I might wake up on the wrong side of the bed but every morning I try to just take her out, take my dog Bella outside and just look around and say thanks for the sky and the trees and the grass and the birds. It sounds kind of cheesy probably to most people but the impact that has had on my life has been quite profound and it really changes the tone of the rest of my day.
Dan Reich: Well, I hate to admit it but it kind of took a brain tumor to get me to that point and I applaud you that you have gotten to that point without having to have something like that drive you towards that.
Tim Murphy: Well, the book was definitely a good motivator and your story was a great motivator. So, I have you and your story and the book all to thank for and I guess I have to thank my wife as well because I believe she actually bought the book.
Dan Reich: Well, I am glad she bought it. I am glad she bought the book because it’s a great book and there are great lessons in it.
Tim Murphy: There are. It’s absolutely incredible and I will include links to the book so other people can find that but Dan, if people want to connect with you or learn more about your story or read the blog post that I read last night, where should they go to find you?
Dan Reich: Probably the best place to go is either the WordPress… actually, the best place to go is www.DanReichAndFriends.com.
Dan’s Wife: That’s not the best place to go.
Dan Reich: Why? My wife disagrees but I would…
Dan Reich: Oh, it’s just an unwieldy URL I guess.
Tim Murphy: That’s okay. I can include a link on the blog to it as well so people hear the interview, they can go to the site and they can get to it that way as well.
Dan Reich: Right. That’s where the brain tumor story really began was with that website and I do have the WordPress blog which I think you also found your way to. There is a lot of stuff in that. I mean, everything on some level probably relates back to it, the themes of gratitude and so forth but a lot of the stuff on the blog really is only very tangentially related to my story in terms of that or music reviews and performances by my band although we do do a lot of performances for charity audiences and stuff and those are exercises in gratitude but I think www.DanReichAndFriends.com website is the best place to kind of absorb the whole story.
Tim Murphy: I agree.
Dan Reich: Nina Lesowitz’s book on gratitude also.
Tim Murphy: I agree and I want to definitely put links to everything on the site. I think your story and the book itself, the lessons and your story and the book are just invaluable for anybody to read. There is just so much that we can all take from that information to make our lives better and help us to live healthier and happier lives. I think everyone needs to check both out – your blog and the book as well. So, Dan, before we conclude, is there anything else you would like to add or is there anything I didn’t cover?
Dan Reich: I think we have covered quite a lot but I would just end by saying that I feel like as good a job as I did of marshalling various resources and being strong and being able to like return to health from a situation that most people couldn’t overcome is less about me being incredibly special or gifted or talented. I think I am just incredibly lucky and just incredibly blessed and I just feel very fortunate that the universe decided to reward my efforts when there have been many other people equally worthy that have not had their efforts being rewarded and we have lost them. So, I just thank God every day that I was one of the lucky people that was given a second chance in life.
Tim Murphy: That’s great and I think we are fortunate to have heard your story and we are fortunate that you documented your story so we can kind of follow along and learn the lessons that you have learned along the way. I am so appreciative, Dan, for your time tonight. It’s been an absolute pleasure to have you on the show today.
Dan Reich: The pleasure is all mine.
Tim Murphy: Thank you and I look forward to talking with you again soon, Dan.
Dan Reich: I hope so too. Thank you, Tim.
Tim Murphy: Thanks, Dan. Take care.
Dan Reich: You too.
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